tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.comments2023-06-09T04:45:24.063-04:00River City Physical CultureJason Struck, CSCS RKChttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comBlogger414125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-56949787069567564082012-06-01T14:58:28.381-04:002012-06-01T14:58:28.381-04:00Hah! This words make no sense Jason!
Many people...Hah! This words make no sense Jason!<br /><br />Many people do not need to do this movement to succeed in life.<br /><br />Steven Hawking can do them at all, and he has not died, and has contributed more to the world than any of us.<br /><br />As well, times have changed. We are not chased as prey anymore. Russians are not invading U.S. Zombies are not real Jason!!!<br /><br />Get real and quit publishing bs son!Crandallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847260677587718927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-38417051341912431442012-06-01T14:56:48.798-04:002012-06-01T14:56:48.798-04:00Your article makes no sense.
Steven Hawking canno...Your article makes no sense.<br /><br />Steven Hawking cannot do any of these movements, and yes, his body is "broken", but he has not died, and has contributed more to the world than any of us.<br /><br />Nobody needs to perform these movements due to them being necessary for life or to escape predators.<br /><br />Get real.Crandallhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10847260677587718927noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-31182374906209978442012-05-28T21:27:12.794-04:002012-05-28T21:27:12.794-04:00ass kisserass kisserJason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-60612225216299926642012-05-04T13:30:47.770-04:002012-05-04T13:30:47.770-04:00i didnt see the 1st article. but this one was real...i didnt see the 1st article. but this one was really interesting. I actually just got a pullup/pushup/dip bar multigym for my birthday :) i can only do 2 pullups but now I can work on that more. woot!cinnamynvaporhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12430615337902393252noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-1509169253959255732012-05-03T18:43:32.325-04:002012-05-03T18:43:32.325-04:00Great article! I did read the original article th...Great article! I did read the original article that you posted a while back and thought a lot about it.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09393870474020429878noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-6730412389053490762012-04-19T11:19:45.657-04:002012-04-19T11:19:45.657-04:00After reading it several times now, if I were to s...After reading it several times now, if I were to sum up my interpretation of Steve's post in a single sentence it might go something like this:<br /><br /><i>"Crossfit has the right idea (cross training for general physical preparedness), but HQ (and by extension some affiliates) program in a way that encourages beginner athletes to attempt advanced stuff too soon."</i><br /><br />Assuming my interpretation is generally correct, then I think he could have shortened his post considerably, excluding the personal attack on Glassman and the other flawed arguments that just seemed like reaching or bone-picking.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-27274859302793816272012-04-18T23:11:27.340-04:002012-04-18T23:11:27.340-04:00I would add to the last point about coaches, that ...I would add to the last point about coaches, that it's a common mistake to assume that someone who is in better shape than you will make the best coach.<br /><br />I know that if I ever get the opportunity to train with Steve Maxwell, I would take it. I think that I could learn a ton. I base that on his experience as a coach, as well as his achievements. It's pretty intuitive to want to learn from a legend.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-25666488214168935402012-04-18T22:02:21.870-04:002012-04-18T22:02:21.870-04:00Good summation Jason. I get tired of the haters wh...Good summation Jason. I get tired of the haters who take a look at a few bad examples on youtube and make sweeping generalizations about how bad CF is. It's almost as frustrating as people who get exposed to their first WOD and think that every workout needs to leave you in a sweaty heaving mass on the ground and if you aren't sore, you didn't accomplish anything.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303266375704372183noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-26608840700674254972011-11-25T14:58:06.839-05:002011-11-25T14:58:06.839-05:00Individual results may vary Corey. Assuming that a...Individual results may vary Corey. Assuming that any specific weight will equal a specific outcome for more than one athlete would be specious thinking. Also, we are talking about GS snatching, not Kenneth Jay protocols. In GS there is NO rest, the kettlebell can not be put down. Age predicted maxes may be less useful than simply recording the actual heart rate. In my experience, active adults tend to have maxes still quite near 200, even if they are 40-50 years old. <br /><br />Addressing both John and Corey's question: there's no standard 'sub' probably. For any given athlete, it's best to know their capacity and to program accordingly, rather than trying to come up with a set rule or guideline.<br /><br />On another note Corey; If your laboratory tested Lactate Threshold is 91% of VO2max and your VO2max is over say ~65mL/kg/min why don't you come down to RVA: I've got some sports I'd like to coach you in.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-79475001796155797612011-11-23T22:04:24.846-05:002011-11-23T22:04:24.846-05:00Snatching a 16 kg kettlebell at a pace of 7 reps p...Snatching a 16 kg kettlebell at a pace of 7 reps per 15 seconds, with a 15/15 second work rest ratio will get your steady state heart rate up to 91% of your age predicted heart rate max. Which is approximately close to your lactate threshold. Therefore, if you want to train your lactate threshold using the kettlebell snatch, use a 20 kg or higher.Coreyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14891080377761481528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-71821840321822281772011-09-27T09:45:15.732-04:002011-09-27T09:45:15.732-04:00Thanks for the recommendations. If you search back...Thanks for the recommendations. If you search back in the blog, there are many references to Math Thornton, but I had never seen this blog from Cane.<br /><br />Everything I see from these guys makes me more regret that I can't train with them.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-72216607732105439732011-09-02T12:57:45.746-04:002011-09-02T12:57:45.746-04:00You should check out Cane Prevost's blog The G...You should check out Cane Prevost's blog The Gentle Art and more generally, Matt Thornton/SBGi's philosophy of pedagogy in BJJ.Georgettehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08705282002904234217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-10727739566006501412011-05-25T16:34:27.362-04:002011-05-25T16:34:27.362-04:00I agree with your last comments, OL alone is not a...I agree with your last comments, OL alone is not a well rounded program for general fitness.<br /><br />I would not advocate training like aweightlifter for the average guy wanting general fitness, for one thing, if you are not cleaning and snatching fairly high percentages of your squat/deadlift, the lifts will have a very different affect on your body than they will if you are lifting high percentages.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007998768378007607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-71487689495958976512011-05-25T12:44:00.093-04:002011-05-25T12:44:00.093-04:00More about my 'data' set:
average trainin...More about my 'data' set:<br /><br />average training age is ~20 months, but median is more like 10 (there are one or two lifters with 4+ years of experience skewing the data).<br /><br />Average chronological age is probably about 31 years old.<br /><br />Average clean is 140, jerk 150 and snatch 105 (POUNDS).<br /><br />My training began with Power to the People by Pavel, and as such, combined with my long femurs and general skinny-ness my Deadlift FAR OUTSTRIPPED my squat, something that has been addressed but far from corrected. I highly favored that which I was good at, and avoided that which I was not (DL:BS respectively).<br /><br />I think what's important, and what I didn't spell out enough in the post, was that 1st year Crossfitters are guiding themselves on benchmarks that are fairly unrelated to THEM. <br /><br />While I BELIEVE your contention that if I did full cleans, and some front and back squats and nothing else I would improve my cleans, it leaves a lot to be desired of a well rounded strength and conditioning program, particularly one geared towards 'average' crossfitters:<br /><br />35 years old<br />no athletic background<br />somewhat overweight<br />mobility restricted<br />cardiovascularly challenged<br />basically pansies that need a lot of work<br /><br />I think that the olympic lifts make a solid base for most S&C programs, but I also think I still need some DL and Bench, some gymnastics, and some energy system development, with sleds, KBs or circuits or whatever.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-37544705821255647752011-05-25T11:59:27.192-04:002011-05-25T11:59:27.192-04:00Jason,
"Jon" is me, Glenn, screwed up ...Jason, <br /><br />"Jon" is me, Glenn, screwed up because of the way google likes to link youtube, blog, etc, accounts.<br /><br />Anyway, as you know I am not of the opinion that the deadlift is as important as you believe it is, or the OHS for that matter. I believe the difference in our opinions is caused by the following:<br /><br />I MAKE lifters do the squat version right from the start, even if this means artificially holding the weight down so that they can front squat or OHS squat the bar. So my lifters are doing front and overhead squats right from the start while performing the lifts.<br /><br />My lifers also, as I said, tend to get their clean up to a high percentage of their deadlifts fairly quickly, so heavy cleans are also fairly heavy deadlift attempts, thus negating the need for lots of heavy deadlifts. You use your own example of a deadlift much higher than a squat, which is a situation rarely found in Olympic lifters, but is probably the case in your personal situation because of previous training that somehow favored the deadlift growing out of proportion to the squat, or at least out of what would be thought of as proper proportion for a competitive weightlifter.<br /><br />Crossfitters are a special population. Their snatches and cleans are not usually going to be as high a percentage of their squats and deadlifts because they are not specialists, and generally do not develop the same skill in the lifts as a specialist olympic lifter. Whats more, they also often develop in such a way as to have the deadlift outstrip the squat, I believe becasue crossfit, at least the way i normally see it programmed, heavily favors posterior chain development.<br /><br />One more factor is age. It is a lot more usual for a 40 year old beginner to have a deadlift that is initially stronger than their squat than it is for a 12 year old. I don't know the details about your situation, but in most crossfit boxes I have seen, the average participant is closer to 40 than to 12. Mary McGregor, a lifter I coached who started at age 55 and won the Masters worlds and set all new world records in her age group, went to a deadlift meet and pulled a 300lb deadlift at 61 years of age. Not bad for a grandmother! At the time, her maximum high bar squat was 220lbs. She NEVER deadlifted in training. I attribute this situation to her age when she started, and her age at the time she did this.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007998768378007607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-25692703592210313342011-05-25T10:08:39.519-04:002011-05-25T10:08:39.519-04:00As I mentioned to Pendlay and others via FB, with ...As I mentioned to Pendlay and others via FB, with my oly squat being 270 and my clean 210 and my snatch 155 (me thinks I need to retest) the old adage of clean=80% and snatch=60% is pretty spot on for me. <br /><br />But, I have been training the power variations for 10 years and the full lifts for about 3-4, and I can front squat 90 and OHS 80% of my best oly style back squats (250 and 215, plenty of room for the full lifts).<br /><br />To further confuse the situation, I may oly ~270, but with a belt I can powerlifting style BS about 325.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-30319828134314503432011-05-25T10:00:01.541-04:002011-05-25T10:00:01.541-04:00Interesting Jon:
who are you, and where do you co...Interesting Jon:<br /><br />who are you, and where do you coach, and who are your lifters?<br /><br />You know my post is about 1st year Crossfitters, right? <br /><br />You know what I always wonder when I hear O lifting coaches give such figures, is... what can I do to get that?<br /><br />I have an oly style squat of about maybe 270lbs, but I pull 385 pretty regularly with 405 being best. If you could coach me to clean 360lbs (90% of my DL)(at a BW of 170 and an age of 33yrs) I would sincerely like to talk more!<br /><br />I suspect there's a lot more to it than that, and as I am not an weightlifting specialist, I'd like to know more.Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-61187246064131819812011-05-25T01:50:04.550-04:002011-05-25T01:50:04.550-04:00I think some of the descripancy between what I wou...I think some of the descripancy between what I would think of as reasonable strength training for weightlifting and your use of the deadlift is because my lifters normally clean around 90% of their best deadlifts. Because of this, a heavy clean is also a pretty heavy deadlift, thus eliminating for most the need to do much deadlifting.Adminhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00007998768378007607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-69255533500939047742011-05-23T22:12:33.374-04:002011-05-23T22:12:33.374-04:00The VJ point is a good one Jamie: a lot of the aut...The VJ point is a good one Jamie: a lot of the authors I was drawing on in the Russian literature actually make the same statement. The combination of squats, jump squats and vertical jump told you a lot about power.<br /><br />I don't have the necessary equipment at this time to measure a true vertical, but will add it to my repetoire some day. <br /><br />As regards the OHS, for beginners it's a must, because they will most likely be pretty awful at it. Once the OHS exceeds the snatch by a healthy margin (10-20%) the intermediate lifter can get his overhead in with actual snatching. From what I have noticed in the literature on elite lifters, pure OHS work is relegated to special drills to bring up major weak points only (perhaps the actual squat, or in fact drop snatches etc).Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-7249462480040596012011-05-23T21:49:40.228-04:002011-05-23T21:49:40.228-04:00I think that any comparison between a "grind&...I think that any comparison between a "grind" and "quick lift" needs to take into account the athletes vertical jump. <br /><br />Other than that, I agree that stronger is better. I'm not so sure about using the OHS as an accessory lift on a regular basis though. I'll have to think about that one.jamiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11587800761587232755noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-5336293471157021332011-05-19T23:37:18.254-04:002011-05-19T23:37:18.254-04:00Wow John! Thanks for some great and thoughtful com...Wow John! Thanks for some great and thoughtful comments.<br /><br />This is definitely a lot more like the community I wanted to get started by writing about these issues. I've copied and pasted a big chunk of your comment right in front of me so that I can address them point by point, BUT I will be brief, because I can see how many of them could be topics for a full post.<br /><br />Priorities as coach: I am going to re-word this into "mission statement as a gym" and say that Crossfit Full Circle is about empowerment. I want people who devote themselves to training with our coaches, in whatever capacity they choose, to leave more capable of doing what they wanted to do in the first place. This speaks to knowing what this particular client really wants, and the truth is, I don't really know yet. I think this is one of the issues with Crossfit broadly creating a brand for itself that sometimes clashes with what we (Full Circle) want to do. Some people with a prior model of what Crossfit 'is' may not think that what we are doing is Crossfit. I beg to differ. But what makes us different from the other box down the road or across the country may not be immediately clear to the newcomer. <br /><br />What kind of clients do we want? Ones that we can empower. I see that opportunity writ large in this particular case, and I meant it when I said I am hopeful about the opportunity that this client represents. I don't want to write off people simply because they don't already agree with us. I have to say I want to get better at helping people get that what we want for them is best for them. I think that's a tough sell though, because people are inclined to believe that they already know what is best for themselves. Especially if another fitness professional has already compelled them to think that something else is the way to go.<br /><br />As far as serving something palatable now, so they can get the real stuff down the road... well there's the rub. In a group class setting, you are somewhat constrained by the need to deliver programming for a group, so it's hard to tailor each individual's training to their current expectations. The necessity is a one-size fits all approach that can never be perfect for every single individual at any one given time. The funny thing is, I see the biggest opportunity being in converting the ones that don't agree with us yet, as they stand to benefit the most from what we have to offer. My struggle is one of marketing on some level: how to sell the mundane and unromantic day to day work that will pay off the biggest in the long run, while faced with the reality that I am competing with the sexy metcon which is more exciting in the short term.<br /><br />The one thing I hope does not get misunderstood is that I don't think the client is <i>wrong</i>, but rather that they have been misled by previous encounters in to thinking that something less fruitful is what they need to be doing. That can be difficult to overcome, if for no other reason than I am the late-comer. If they already believe one thing, it's going to be harder work to change their pre-existing beliefs than it would be to help someone who has no particular opinion to begin with. I hope it didn't seem disparaging towards this particular person when I compared them to their classmates. I added those details to heighten the absurdity (for lack of a weaker synonym) of her protest. The mojo out there is so strong, that even given the evidence of her low performance in this aspect of training, the client was still not compelled to see it as particularly important to improve, or that only doing strength work was an effective use of her time as compared to some strength work with a continued greater emphasis on metcon ( in their words 'finishing the workout laying on the floor in a puddle of sweat').Jason Struck, CSCS RKChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09442705819787850584noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-75449046059762339992011-05-19T21:04:15.803-04:002011-05-19T21:04:15.803-04:00First, I totally agree with Tamara and James. Seco...First, I totally agree with Tamara and James. Second it seems to me that there are 2 prongs to this question. The first being how do you help someone develop an attitude towards training, or learning in general, that will serve them properly? The second prong is how do you sell your system? <br /><br />There is an inference that a student shows up to learn not to tell an instructor how they do things. When my students begin to argue with me I remind them of this, as gently as I can of course. This is usually followed by a rational explanation of how what I am showing will make you better at both what I am teaching you and what it is that you want to do to begin with. You do a really good job at this with me in relating specific movements back to pugilistic motions. In this case you could argue relative strength developed through these motions will help you destroy the previous motions that you were doing. <br /><br />A second part to this is perhaps bargaining/setting a time frame. "Try it my way for X amount of time and we will re-evaluate." Your system works and the numbers will speak for themselves, especially if the person is keeping a log and can see consistent improvement.When people see that it works they devote themselves to it more fully. Perhaps you can use one of her previous workouts as a benchmark test to show her why you train like you do. <br /><br />This will go a long ways towards selling your system and expertise. The other part of this you already do pretty well and that is to sell your enthusiasm about it. It also doesn't hurt to have a gym full of people who are equally enthusiastic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-46189840087387904852011-05-19T20:54:40.985-04:002011-05-19T20:54:40.985-04:00Hey there Jason and thanks for tagging me. I am n...Hey there Jason and thanks for tagging me. I am not pulling any punches here, so feel free to pull this down.<br />On reading your post, my first thought was “that’s so Jason,” followed by some introspection and admission that it is also a lot like me… I don’t coach and it has been years since I last taught, but I do mentor, lead, and manage people every day. The thing that I struggle with the most is that I don’t suffer fools lightly. If someone doesn’t know what they are talking about, is a dumbass, or has a different approach or philosophy, I tend to write them off completely. I can’t – or won’t – help them. Sometimes I have that luxury and it works, sometimes, it doesn’t. As my boss has reminded me recently, the problem doesn’t always lie with the other person. Sometimes, it rests with me and my unwillingness to understand where the other person is coming from. When I read this, I see you struggling with some fundamental questions. <br />What are your priorities as a coach? Do you want to help all clients, or only those who (as I do) share many of the same beliefs / principles? In other words, are you going to write off a new client who, in your view, likes latte and refuses to see the value of organically grown, free market, locally roasted espresso? Or are you willing to serve the latte with your own twist and use that as a gateway to other products that you offer, including the ones that you really care about? As a business owner, you can choose to take all comers and offer what the public wants, offer a mix of training with a bias towards / focus on strength training and lead clients in the right direction, shut out everyone except those who embrace your philosophy, or anything in between. Obviously, your decision there has major revenue implications (let’s face it, the market is, and always will be, what it is – chasing the fad and ill-informed). Ultimately, you have to decide what your focus will be and what you’re willing to offer.<br />Intertwined with that is the decision as to what type of coach you want to be. Do you want a cadre of dedicated, knowledgeable, like-minded clients who require little training and are just as much use as training partners as they are as clients, or are you willing to / interested in motivating, training, and leading people who are all across the spectrum? How quickly are you going to write them off? Are you willing to nudge and suggest, and give pointers, and let their philosophy evolve over time, or is this a one-or-done? <br />So I guess what I’m trying to get around to here, as a client of yours for over a year and hopefully, a friend, is that I see an awful lot here about you, and why there is something wrong with the client, and how she needs to turn her head around, see how messed up she is, recognize your impressive skills and experience, bow to the master, and recite the dogma. C’mon. Your Kool-Aid is still Kool-Aid. And while your dogma is GOOD dogma, you’re assuming a lot for a new customer. You also assume you know why she’s there.<br />She is there for her, not for you.<br />She is there for what she needs, not necessarily what you want.<br />She is there to learn what she is ready to accept, and maybe only a hair more.<br />She is only as motivated as she was when she walked in the door<br />And she brings a lot a baggage – like all clients.<br />She wants to have fun – no matter how she defines that.<br />Do you want her? Because she will decide for herself if she needs you.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01438260696811557863noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-30725265115620469502011-05-19T19:50:13.626-04:002011-05-19T19:50:13.626-04:00I partially blame certain programming (i.e. 'T...I partially blame certain programming (i.e. 'The Biggest Loser')that leads people to believe that if they rain sweat everyday then they can quickly "look great" (regardless of the health risks involved). I've seen some follow ups of these people and they're essentially back where they started because they didn't learn the fundamentals or understand why their old lifestyle got them out of shape/morbidly obese to begin with.<br /><br /> I'm relatively new to the program but I've visited quite a few communities in our virtual world and I also agree that "Crossfit is ruining Crossfit". I keep seeing people concerned with "hardcoredness" and bragging rights because they (maybe) excel in one particular area, regardless of the fact that greener folks who are open to proper coaching are generally making improvements of some increment across the board.<br /><br /> To retouch on the running point - it isn't my favourite thing either but I know it'll ultimately improve my my stamina/oxygen efficiency which in turn helps me maintain technique throughout WODs. I'll throw an applicable Stones lyric out there "You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes you might find...you get what you NEED."Joshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11852809974296585525noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4858681462440844189.post-10376167031887097962011-05-19T15:29:29.447-04:002011-05-19T15:29:29.447-04:00Strength is the one area of fitness that all other...Strength is the one area of fitness that all others can be built off of, show her examples of athletes, especially women, who exemplify strength and fitness.<br /><br />She has been tainted by the koolaid and expects every workout to be balls to the wall, when most of us smart ones know that training is a means to an end, not the end itself.<br /><br />"finishers" or metcons have been overused to the point of overconditioning, thereby weakening people, causing overuse injuries and overtraining. <br /><br />her goals are her goals, but in order to get to those goals she is going to have to listen to people who know a lot more than she does about working towards those goals. If her goal is to feel like a trainwreck after every workout, she will eventually grow tired of that. If her goal is to be in shape, look good and be fit, then listening to you would be in her best interests.<br /><br />Unfortunately, metcon warriors get so entrenched in that concept they assume that muscular endurance equals limit strength, and its completely untrue. <br /><br />She would be better served slowing it down, getting her form mailed and being gradual about her progressions rather than trying to beat the clock.<br /><br />I have many clients and they condition twice per week, the other 2 days are for lifting and accessory work, even on those conditioning days they are doing some lower volume lifting, but the lifting is prioritized. And I never lost one due to not being satisfied with their results yet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com